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Post by Spike on Jan 4, 2005 12:02:24 GMT -5
I recognise those names in correspondence to the moves but not from a TKD point of view.
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Post by simon on Jan 6, 2005 10:48:03 GMT -5
I never did the scissors kick (but i think i know it from judo videos www.judoinfo.com/images/video/mainline/kanibasami.mpg )? you forgot milo chagi: its a frontside kick, but not the front side snap kick that you described. Here is what you do: pull a knee to your chest and then "push" the foot out into your target (hit with the heel). It looks rather bold, but you can even use it in sparring (i cant, but its possible). Everybody knows it from movies, when the hero kicks a locked door open (in my mind the side kick would be better, cuz its the most powerful kick for me). for japanese martial arts: the milo chagi is like the mae geri, with the difference that you hit with your heel. you say the front side snap kick hits with the ball of the foot. I would say it hits with the ball(s) of the first toe(s) (for me the ball of the foot is the bottom of the heel). For the drop kick: I dont swing my leg up, but raise my knee and extend the leg when striking down.
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Post by Jingshen on Jan 6, 2005 11:39:02 GMT -5
Too many wushu kicks to start... front kick and side kick i recognise as the same from shaolin kung fu but other names we do not have - roundhourse is a very erm...TKD/karate type name...for us they translate to crescents i think...
The chinese names translate very obviously, for example - Inner jump 360 with falling on side - Zhuan shen Pan tui die...
LOL a great time if you can remember which is which, funny for the coach if they get confused and think you are asking them to hammer fist to double static butterfly twist lol...
As long as the name explains itself its good - like TK17s piston kick..can immieiatley see whats going on and the name even suggests the type/amount of force needed...
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Post by simon on Jan 7, 2005 5:45:56 GMT -5
in my mind roundhouse kick is a typical -sports in the media- name (its also the term they use in kickboxing). Where I train its dollyo chagi (turned strike) or bandal chagi (halfmoon strike). The problem with that is that the spinning hook kick is also a turned strike and its also called dollyo chagi (sometimes its called mom-dollyo chagi to make a difference) tornado roundhouse kick - dora dollyo chagi back kick - dew chagi drop kick - naero chagi side kick - yop chagi (my favorite) front (snap) kick - ap chagi
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Post by TK17 on Jan 7, 2005 9:54:56 GMT -5
Where I train, a crescent is related to roundhouse and drop kick, but is a separate technique in and of itself. With a roundhouse kick, we raise our knee, pivot our hips, and then extend the kick from the knee, hitting with our foot fully extended and making the contact on the top of the foot, like where you want to kick a football (laces). With a drop kick, we swing our leg up and strike downwards, but our foot usually remains "vertical" i.e. toes high and heel low, even if the foot is extended to hit with the ... ball of the first toe. What I've been taught under the name of crescent is a kick where you swing your unbent leg from the outside, upwards and inwards, striking with the inside arch of the foot as your leg passes center (if you go inside to outside and hit with the outer edge of your foot, we call it a reverse crescent). It's a very powerful move, and it's usually discouraged unless used by a black belt fighting a black belt, because if both fighters aren't somewhat confident problems occur Good call on milo chagi, Simon ... I know it as "push kick." (again with the descriptive English names). I like side kick, too ... it's either push kick or side kick if I want maximum power, and I choose between them depending on how fast my foot needs to be moving.
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Post by Jingshen on Jan 7, 2005 10:47:10 GMT -5
yeh, they translate to inner/outer crescent kicks...however the only problem here is the translation - no oriental martial art is supposed to be taught in english so all of the translations will differ between styles..for example a drop kick i would think of as being an axe kick..but again i got this from british TKD as we dont teach such moves....
What i know as a roundhouse kick - we call them turning kicks to the children...
another roundhouse type kick i have seen in competition is when they turn 360 degrees swinging with the leg and hitting with the lower half or the heel...seen this in a lot of Karate comps...... it just seems so .. - telegraphed what do you guys think?
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Post by simon on Jan 8, 2005 10:45:01 GMT -5
if german would have as much influece (and self esteam) we would most propably have german names for the techniques here. some schools even use the english terms.
crescent kicks. arent they dangerous to the knee? lets say i do a out-to-in crescent kick into somebodys face, but he moves a bit towards me (or I overestimate the distance) so i hit him about at his ear and cannot "pull the kick through". i think this could harm my knee (overstretching the inside). they are definitely good to kick a knife out of your opponents hand though. At the dojang where i train we rether do some sort of drop kick instead of the crescent version (so we hit with the bottom of the foot instead of the in or outside) - this makes the out-to-in kick a bit hard though. bakeso anuro (or simply an chagi) - out to in aneso bakkro (bakkad chagi) - in to out
I dont know if i get you right about the roundhouse type kick you describe, Jingshen. It sounds a bit like a turned back kick. (turn over your back on your front leg and hit with the rear leg, look over your shoulder). I think this kick makes sense in sparring, if you have too much momentum (maybe after a roundhouse kick that didnt hit) and use it to turn over (erm... my english). Though its a bit weird because you rather turn your back on your opponent, which is normally not a good idea, but in Tae Kwon Do sparring its not allowed to attack the backside so you are still safe. might not be of that much use in the street. Maybe im talking about an entirely different tech... you say "swing the leg"... in the tech i talk about, you just raise the heel and push it out.
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Post by Jingshen on Jan 8, 2005 11:20:22 GMT -5
Yes that technique i have used many times in sparring to great effect...the technique i was referring to is similar but the knee does not bend so it swings around in a full arc...i have seen this done in compeition and think it is foolishly telegraphed. last time i saw it done it saw the practitioner havign his leg caught by the oppenent and throwing him over his head...haha...
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Post by Paradox on Jan 8, 2005 11:37:08 GMT -5
Spinning hook kick, maybe? In TKD, you twist around towards the back shoulder and extend your original back leg so that you hit a target that was originally in front of you with the heel. You then follow through so that you end up in your original position with the same foot in front.
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Post by simon on Jan 8, 2005 18:04:40 GMT -5
yes it is kind of a hook kick, but when you do a hook kick you also extend the leg at the latest moment possible. I absolutely agree with Jingshen: swinging the leg doesnt make much sense. It just takes too long and costs too much force. I also think you cant hit that hard and balance is more difficult. he got his leg caught? haha, serves him right. looks good in a movie though what do you mean by telegraphed?
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Post by Jingshen on Jan 8, 2005 19:53:20 GMT -5
ahh hook..spining hook that was the phrase i was looking for - thanks =)..
telegraphed, i mean it is hmm..easier for the opponent to see it coming the swinging way giving them more crucial time to react to it...
I only just got back from a killer session with Master They miiiles away and its one in the morning so ill read this 2mos to make sure it makes sense lolol...
Night everyone!! =)
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Post by Paradox on Jan 9, 2005 0:59:05 GMT -5
Yeah, swinging the leg is something that I was warned against when I first learned it. But some people still do it. Keeping the leg extended slows down the momentum and leaves out a lot of the power that you could potentially get.
Spinning hook kicks can be quite powerful, but only if done properly. I've seen sparring matches when one person won solely by sparring as normal, but throwing in hook kicks to catch the opponent off guard.
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Post by phoenix on Jan 9, 2005 12:06:30 GMT -5
;DHook Kicks=Awesome
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Post by Paradox on Jan 9, 2005 12:45:13 GMT -5
Yeah... I was thinking about you when I typed that.
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Post by Jingshen on Jan 12, 2005 10:53:44 GMT -5
hmm lol...they look pretty, they might be god in comp...sometimes...but something would be seriously wrong if i picked this "technique" for use in the street,...
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