DaveyPants
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Post by DaveyPants on Dec 2, 2004 11:06:05 GMT -5
lol yeah. notice how evo got slated on UF. do i detect a note of jealousy? Heh Heh.
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Post by shaunandrews on Dec 2, 2004 11:15:02 GMT -5
i've changed my mind all hail the mighty spike
u have brung up a good point the credit goes to who made the pic , i also agree with what u said about the problem with it being on OUR site
but then i dont care what b2 rock says and if there is a problem with the pic im sure seb will say it as the picture contains him in it and no one from free flow
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Post by chase armitage on Dec 2, 2004 11:36:10 GMT -5
Well, Shaun < you my friend, are the man ;D your argument says it all my man... B2, firstly welcome ..to our humble abode or whatever ;D Dude, you are alittle highly strung, Spike just shared a pic with us boy-o.... it aint even you, since you cant even trip vault And mate....you do have me and my brother in your documentary...and who the hell asked us if we minded....infact i aint to happy about that! But im a chilled dude, so i aint gona rool up in your forum and take a piss. Im sorry that it was posted, it will never happen again I aint pissed at ez and the rest of freeflow, coz there all safe now...but B2, mate go and do some parkour bro... Sorry for the sly remarks everyone....go back and chill in the open minded forum...the place where people can be them selfs...and like what ever the hell they want....sept from dirty things lol....keep that on the outside ;D Chase ;D
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Post by M2 on Dec 2, 2004 12:44:13 GMT -5
Wow, you people got quite excited over that. I'm sorry if using the word "Decency" pissed people off, it wasn't meant to. As for it being Seb's picture, it's not. The picture doesn't always belong to the person in the picture. As for you being in "our" documentary, if it is not something that you willingly submitted then I will be happy to remove it. As far as my comments having anything to do with your site, no, they don't. There is another site which posted this image and said "From the front page of Urban Freeflow" ... hence giving it the proper credit. If you think I'm going overboard, that's fine, I can live with that. If you think I can't do a vault, that's fine too. As for people slagging your videos, that wasn't me, and I'm not sure why you added that to this conversation, I gave constructive criticism to one of your videos, and backed up everything I said in a conversation with Chase. As for me being jealous, I'm really not, what would I be jealous of? I made a statement referring to copyright issues on an image, and you all decided to attack me for the word I used and then carry that over to my website and my PK.
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Post by M2 on Dec 2, 2004 12:47:11 GMT -5
BTW, I'm sorry, but I don't even know what video / documentary you are talking about that you appear in?
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Post by chase on Dec 2, 2004 12:50:36 GMT -5
Soz m2,
I did go over the top an i know i did, just letin off steam
safe bro
Chase ;D
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Post by Flame on Dec 2, 2004 14:04:01 GMT -5
I am actually surprised by M2 on this one.I think that comment was not directed for the good of Parkour but for personal recognition. I have no doubt if someone asked where it was from then everyones reply would have been UF. The comment made was completly on the offensive and if I made a directed statement like that I could expect to be personally attacked (verbally ). If you have a problem I would send a PM or e-mail to the forum admin rather than a brash reply.
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Post by M2 on Dec 2, 2004 14:44:07 GMT -5
As I said before, my reply wasn't meant to be brash.
If "Decency" is a bad word, then allow me to correct myself and say "courtesy" ... and it is not courteous to use someone else's image without asking or pointing out where it came from.
Yes, I'm sure if someone asked the person who posted it would have said where it came from, but that's not the point.
As for it being for the good of Parkour, I don't really think that "good for parkour" factors into this. Would it have been "better" for parkour if I had sent an email as you suggested? I'm not sure what is being expected of me or implied here?
My comment was also not meant to be offensive, beyond the fact that I do think it is out of line for someone to take something that doesn't belong to them. If thats wrong, then I am clearly in the wrong.
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Post by M2 on Dec 2, 2004 14:48:39 GMT -5
I will add that this is how it is phrased on the UF homepage: "Exclusive teaser shot from Jump"
Now, if we have an exclusive image, don't you think we have a right to have it be exclusive?
Maybe we do, maybe we don't, but the law says we do, and I'd be interested in hearing comments either way.
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Post by Spike on Dec 2, 2004 15:18:24 GMT -5
I say again IT IS A PICTURE. I did not mean to "take" it and nor did i claim responsibility for it. I would never do anything so childish and arrogant. In case you were wondering, yes that is a pointed comment. I did not realise it was a problem as i was simply sharing an image with people who i know would be interested. If i had known i would of removed it and simply placed a link to your site instead. If you had sent me a message i would not of even mentioned your complaint as it would of been irrelevant.
I know the image isn't legaly owned by Seb or the people who took the image, my comment was in reference to who deserved the credit, not who happened to own it. I don't think anyone is going to give credit to the people who own the image. In the eyes of the law yes, you have the right. But be sensible, we are not competing businesses, we are people who claim to be driven by love of a particular activity not pursuit of appreciation.
Calling into question my "decency" was in my opinion an attacking statement. It insinuates that the person responsible for the act knew there was a problem with their actions, i did not. You have said that you did not mean it to be offensive so i accept that but the way it was worded is clearly there to suggest premeditation.
Posting your complaint on this board was irresponsible, i am not a representative of team evo or this site, by posting your complaint on this board it could of been interpreted by others as something the team had done wrong, which is not the case. I am the one who placed the image here and you should of approached me directly. I offer my apologies if it will help resolve the matter but there is no need to continue to post here. If you want to argue or discuss my use of this image then please e-mail me and i will be happy to speak to you. I just don't want this to spam up the board. No-one wants any rivalrly between individuals, this site was set-up to help one another not argue about things as crass as ownership of a small image.
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Post by M2 on Dec 2, 2004 15:56:24 GMT -5
I have not come here intending to start an argument or an attack of anyone. I will point out however that I have already sent you an email about this to which you haven't responded, so to say you want it completely offline is not quite fair.
I have stated at least three times now that I am clearly at fault for using the term decency, and yes, I do think it was not thoughtful of you to post the image here without any reference.
Had people not decided to attack me in response to my first post, I never would have said another word about this, however that wasn't the case.
I will finalize my postition as that of apology for having offended, and agree that if anyone else wants further response or reply from me then this should be done in email as I won't answer in this thread anymore.
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Post by chase armitage on Dec 2, 2004 17:02:24 GMT -5
Yo, people, Its mee, just got in from da gym, had a well fun session...haha christmas hats on while training, proper laugh!.. I wana say a final thing,..since i am the admin and all ;D Just that, I want M2 to know that me, my brother Cole and Shaun were all shown in the Uf documentary...that was shown on the extreme channel...And i wasnt asked for permission...And i did ya A cool 720 b-twist and wallflip over cole...in the gym part.....But I didnt complain....Think about it,..people could think that i was a Uf member from watching that documentary..But im just happy to share cool footage with viewers. Which was the case with spike, he was just shareing a cool image... Yer it woulda been nice if he put where it was from, but so what, he forgot...and by the way, i found some japaneese boys remixing my videos and putting them on their site, didnt ask me at all,...But i was cool with it, since it could be seen as a compliment. People wanting to share your work... so in the end of the day, its all about letting it slip By the way, once again sorry we all jumped at ya m2, i would like to say, you are welcome along with everyone else to join our forum, i know its only small time at the moment..But its cosy, and friendly....Im sure you can contribute some great stuff, and even if you wana post your latest uf stuff, vids etc..then your more than welcome to share with us... Take it easy fella Chase
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Post by M2 on Dec 2, 2004 22:12:25 GMT -5
OK well, I really don't want to perpetuate this or make it seem like an argument.
Let's let the image thing go, I am not against sharing stuff in general, but there are soem copyright things that I feel should be at least credited, whether anyone agrees with me on that or not is fine either way, it's just the way I feel.
As for the video you're in, I could be mistaken, but didn't you have to sign in for that indoor Jam, and state that you were giving us the right to use footage of you?
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Post by shaunandrews on Dec 3, 2004 6:56:50 GMT -5
i don't remember doing that
i remember us getting there late being asked are names then being let in straight to the room where we was streching i don't remember signing anything
o well
anyway it doesn't matter maybe we did maybe we didn't im just saying thats all i remember
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Post by chase armitage on Dec 3, 2004 8:08:53 GMT -5
Hey m2 nah, we didnt sign anything mate, we were let straight in and just got ticked off the list thats all, But dont matter either way,...i know what your sayin with the copyright issues, since thats what its there for. But like morphius said, "this world is made apon rules.....some can be bent,....others...can be broken ;D" Soz pay no attention to that, just love the matrix quotes Anyway, all sorted, and cool Peace you lot Chase Hope everyone has a cewl christmas,....."i hate the winter" ---christmas just isnt wht it used to be lol..
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